Why is fellowshipping with those who are not of like faith and order such a big issue today?
Why do so many try to justify ecuminicalism?
The reason is that many today just like having fun; fellowshipping with all who profess to be "Christians"
While we are having our fun fellowshipping with those who are not of like faith and order, we are forgetting that iin our fellowshipping we are condoning their beliefs. [Call it what you want preachers this is the truth].
Call me mean, hateful and unloving; call me uncaring, but the fact is this--Jesus established His church to go into the world to preach the Word to the unbelieving, not fellowship with them and wish them God Speed.
If you like to play "Christian Fellowship" with the religious of the world that is your choice, but please don't take the Bible, bend it and wrest it to make it say what you want it to say or support ecuminicalism.
Final Thought--Why is this subject such a debate today? Because God's people are neck deep in ecuminicalism and don't know how to get out, or don't want to get out--because it is so much fun.
Love Your Brother in Christ
Bro Joey Grappe
PS. To my Brethren who want to slay me with Scriptures, PLEASE make sure that you use them in context.
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Who pead in your cornflakes this evening?? ;-) like it brother.
ReplyDeletePlease use some Scriptures to back up your case. I'm interested in them and your view. :-) Also, if you can define "fellowship", I'd appreciate it so I can better understand your post.
ReplyDeleteAlso, my question is this. How many beliefs or which beliefs have to be different before it is "ecumenism"? I would almost feel associating or fellowshipping with some ABA churches should fall under this category, and certainly with some BMA or independent Baptist churches (un-associated) would NOT fall under this category. Can you please define these terms for me?
By the way, did you ever notice ecumenism is the proper word? Wow. I always said "ecumenicalism". That's quite redundant.
My eyes are aggrieved to read more puerility concerning fellowship with Baptist ranks. These blogs are congested with opinions, man's philosophy and false theology. Where is the scripture brother? Within any association of Baptist one will find churches which are congruous with the Holy Scriptures and ones which aren't. Our associational eyes need be opened to the fact that some of "our own" aren't in accordance with us, Bible or the God of the Bible.
ReplyDeleteTherefore, must we not evaluate each individual body of saved, baptized believers which call themselves a "church" when deciding with whom we should associate?
Bro James we can talk later
ReplyDeleteBro Micah
Impressive and even somewhat eloquant speech you have.
I think you have my blog mixed up with another. I dont think I said anything about our Baptist brethren, or Baptist associations.
My blog is aimed at Baptists who fellowship with false religions.
I cannot, however, felloship with SBC or even BMA on an associational level. I choose not to go to their functions, [BMA not at all to be compared with SBC] because by my actions I condone thier actions, and beliefs.
You say all this is opinion, philosophy, and false theology--good opinion concerning opinions, but they are not opinions. The Bible is very clear on this subject, no it doesnt speak about SBC, BMA or even ABA, but it does teach concerning the purity of the Lord's church.
Sadly, this subject is one that is becoming more and more unpopular. It is nothing less than the desire for a one world religion; all who profess Christianity coming together under one banner. The Lord's New Testament churches have been infultrated by this heresy and many God called preachers also.
Call it opinion, philosophy, or even false theology, the fact is that God's people have no business fellowshipping or worshipping with false religion.
When someone can show me Scriptures that teach it is okay for me to support a religion that teaches false doctrine concerning salvation, baptism, or the autority of the local New Testament church of Jesus, then I will change my view, but until that day I will stand on Scriptures that teach the seperation from these.
You are right about something my brother, there are ABA churches that have sold out and went a whoring after the lusts of the world; these I do not fellowship with.
Please explain you last sentence.
PS. I do have Scriptures concerning this subject: it took a lot of time and effort and long hours of study. The truth is there, all you have to do is dig it out.
Can I ask if you define the false religion as one which teaches or practices fall doctrine concerning "salvation, baptism, or the authority of the local New Testament churches of Jesus"? If a church is right on these three issues, despite the name on the door, is it A-O-K?
ReplyDeleteThe following statement is from your last post.
ReplyDelete"The Bible is very clear on this subject, no it doesnt speak about SBC, BMA or even ABA, but it does teach concerning the purity of the Lord's church."
This is my point exactly! Our emphasis is placed on associated work. Jesus never placed it there. Jesus never died for an association. Now, Let it be known that I am an associational Missionary Baptist. I participate in asociated work and our church support the associated efforts. I believe that associations of churches are honored by God as long as they are following His commands and not overpowering the churches within the association. However, since Jesus did teach concerning the purity of the church would it not then be wise to fellowship with chuches who are pure in their motives and manners? I believe we agree that just because a church is "A.B.A." does not make them a church in accordance to God's plan and purpose for purity. My point is this, We often times fellowship (no questions asked) with churches because of who they "belong" to associationally speaking. When we place that much emphasis on the importance of an associated name we have place emphasis in the wrong place.
You also made the following statement:
"I do have Scriptures concerning this subject: it took a lot of time and effort and long hours of study. The truth is there, all you have to do is dig it out."
I'm glad Bro. Brown didn't tell you that when you asked him for a copy of what took him 27 years to study, "dig out" and put on computer... :)
Good comment Brother Micah. But you know the answers to all your questions.
ReplyDeleteI posted this on another site too. Just a thought I had. What if (just a what if, and not too far fetched) some true Baptists carried on the good Baptist doctrine and name in other countries long before Spaniards, Frenchmen, and Englishmen traveled to the North American continent. What if those churches remained in other countries, and continued on, even after America was overrun by us, Whitees? What if these true churches who share exactly the same beliefs as we do continued to associate in other countries outside of the U.S. when the ABA began? What if some of these true churches with the EXACT same beliefs as us today are still in existence?
ReplyDeleteCan we worship with them? Can we pastor them? Can we fellowship with them? Can we associate with them without extending some "arm of authority" to make them a "true Baptist church"?
To go even further, what if they aren't American Baptist Association (b/c they have never been in America), but are "Algerian Baptist Association" or "Austrian Baptist Association" or "Australian Baptist Association"? They'd still technically be "ABA" and with the same beliefs.
James, I think you know the answer.
ReplyDeleteWould someone please look at how much emphasis is being placed on associations and not on a church!
ReplyDeleteIs my point not evident?
Brother James ::looks at how much emphasis is being placed on associations and not on a church!::
ReplyDeleteOK. Now what, Brother Micah?
Now answer the question...duh!
ReplyDeleteWhat is a "duh"? I know that I am an old man and not linguistically in tune with you young whimper-snappers. But, Bro. Micah, you called Bro. James one, can you define it for me?
ReplyDeleteBro. Mike I didn't refer to Bro. James as a "duh" I used the interjection in reference to his question, "Now what, Brother Micah?"
ReplyDeleteMaybe a definition of the word, Duh, would help you to better understand it's meaning. Allow me to assist you with this definition since you are in your geriatric years.
Duh:
used to express actual or feigned ignorance or stupidity
used derisively to indicate that something just stated is all too obvious or self-evident
I LOVE our sweet fellowship. Let's just all go get a big box to get in.
ReplyDeleteBro. James I am grieved that you have so soon forgotten. Don't you remember...we all crawled out of the same the box....the LMBIS box.
ReplyDeleteI haven't forgotten, but since we crawled out, I think we should find another one, or the same one, to crawl back into.
ReplyDeleteLets see if Clifford will lead the way to the box. Clifford where are you???
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